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		<title>Comment on I need to know what YOU guys struggle with. by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Brief Manifesto Designed For Employed Pharmaceutical Representatives

The word, ‘Manifesto’ is one of Latin origin, and means ‘to make public’. It’s an open statement of standards related to good behavior based on principles. What will follow in a moment are not the rules or commandments from one individual or organization.  Nor am I composing this in an attempt to be perceived as an ideal pharmaceutical representative.
So, these are suggestions I wish to offer for pharmaceutical representatives regarding the nature of their vocation:
1.	Never park your free car closest to the entrance of a doctor’s office or clinic.  Obviously, both places treat sick people- some worse than others.  Aim for the back of the parking lot.  Exercise is good for you.  
2.	Upon entering a medical location, such as a doctor’s office, if you notice more than one pharmaceutical representative sitting in what may be a small waiting room, leave immediately and return at another time.  Don’t be so insistent or persistent that you disrupt those in that waiting room who need to see the doctor much more than you do.  A similar suggestion is that if you enter a waiting room with no other reps and few patients waiting to be seen, strike up a conversation with one of these patients waiting to see their doctor.  This rarely if ever happens- drug reps having a nice conversation with a patient.  You know, they are not Lepers.
3.	Make an effort not to become vexed if you are unable to see one of your targeted prescribers.  More importantly, if such a person accepts samples from you, this in itself will influence their prescribing habits more than you may realize.  So I suggest you visit such offices, regardless if you see the prescriber or not.  You still will or may have a positive effect on what you need to do.
4.	If you have an opportunity to be invited into the medical office to ‘check samples’, which means an opportunity to speak with the doctor, read the environment in this patient treatment area.
Are staff members moving quickly in this area?  Are you not receiving any eye contact or dialogue from such staff members?  Does the doctor seem overwhelmed?  If so, don’t discuss your business at such times.  The doctor and his or her staff have more concerning issues than your presence there.  Likely, you will visit this same location again and again.

Furthermore, and as with others, I’ve read statements from pharmaceutical representatives on Cafepharma.  I know your concerns as a pharmaceutical representative, as well as the ridiculous activities you are required to do by your employer at times that either appear or in fact are rather pointless.

With this said, I suggest you not be in a constant state of understandable anger or unhappiness as you work during the day.  People are more transparent that you may realize (psychopaths are an exception).  Those in the medical community that you interrupt (and you do) would rather not view you as upset or joyless.  Attempt to make yourself in a presentable mood before entering a medical location.  You might actually make another’s day.  Try gently to make medical staff laugh appropriately, for example.

Also of particular note, and with pharmaceutical corporations, and perhaps all corporations, there seems to be a constant theme with such sales forces-  members always strive to make a favorable impression for their employer.  This in itself is understandable and not necessarily a bad thing to do.

Yet do not ever confuse creative acts with criminal acts.  It happens, and it is not a good thing for many.  So I suggest that others learn about law relevant to your profession as a pharmaceutical representative. 

 Many follow instructions from their superiors that may in fact be possibly unethical if not criminal on occasion.  This happens for two reasons:  First, it’s understandable with a pharmaceutical representative that if their superior directs them to engage in a particular activity related to their vocation, it is reasonable to conclude that such acts are legal.  So rarely do pharmaceutical representatives ever question what they are told to implement by their employers and managers.  To be clear, this scenario is possible, yet not always.

For example, do not ever engage in what is called quid pro quo.  This is Latin as well, and means, ‘this for that’.  For example, just because you buy a medical office lunch, or leave them samples of your promoted  products, or placed a fancy TV in their office, these gifts does not mean in any situation that the doctor owes you prescriptions for the medications that you promote to such doctors.  If your sales numbers are down, do not blame the medical professionals in your territory in such a way, and it happens at times.

Finally, there are certain intrinsic human traits that others rarely discuss or examine.  Examples are qualities such as character, integrity, or kindness.  I’m not suggesting that you do discuss such moral and ethical topics if this is not how you live your life.  What I am suggesting is that you discover the meaning of such words and strive to acquire these traits within you, or at least consider the value of such traits.

Thank you for your time,

A seasoned pharmaceutical representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Brief Manifesto Designed For Employed Pharmaceutical Representatives</p>
<p>The word, ‘Manifesto’ is one of Latin origin, and means ‘to make public’. It’s an open statement of standards related to good behavior based on principles. What will follow in a moment are not the rules or commandments from one individual or organization.  Nor am I composing this in an attempt to be perceived as an ideal pharmaceutical representative.<br />
So, these are suggestions I wish to offer for pharmaceutical representatives regarding the nature of their vocation:<br />
1.	Never park your free car closest to the entrance of a doctor’s office or clinic.  Obviously, both places treat sick people- some worse than others.  Aim for the back of the parking lot.  Exercise is good for you.<br />
2.	Upon entering a medical location, such as a doctor’s office, if you notice more than one pharmaceutical representative sitting in what may be a small waiting room, leave immediately and return at another time.  Don’t be so insistent or persistent that you disrupt those in that waiting room who need to see the doctor much more than you do.  A similar suggestion is that if you enter a waiting room with no other reps and few patients waiting to be seen, strike up a conversation with one of these patients waiting to see their doctor.  This rarely if ever happens- drug reps having a nice conversation with a patient.  You know, they are not Lepers.<br />
3.	Make an effort not to become vexed if you are unable to see one of your targeted prescribers.  More importantly, if such a person accepts samples from you, this in itself will influence their prescribing habits more than you may realize.  So I suggest you visit such offices, regardless if you see the prescriber or not.  You still will or may have a positive effect on what you need to do.<br />
4.	If you have an opportunity to be invited into the medical office to ‘check samples’, which means an opportunity to speak with the doctor, read the environment in this patient treatment area.<br />
Are staff members moving quickly in this area?  Are you not receiving any eye contact or dialogue from such staff members?  Does the doctor seem overwhelmed?  If so, don’t discuss your business at such times.  The doctor and his or her staff have more concerning issues than your presence there.  Likely, you will visit this same location again and again.</p>
<p>Furthermore, and as with others, I’ve read statements from pharmaceutical representatives on Cafepharma.  I know your concerns as a pharmaceutical representative, as well as the ridiculous activities you are required to do by your employer at times that either appear or in fact are rather pointless.</p>
<p>With this said, I suggest you not be in a constant state of understandable anger or unhappiness as you work during the day.  People are more transparent that you may realize (psychopaths are an exception).  Those in the medical community that you interrupt (and you do) would rather not view you as upset or joyless.  Attempt to make yourself in a presentable mood before entering a medical location.  You might actually make another’s day.  Try gently to make medical staff laugh appropriately, for example.</p>
<p>Also of particular note, and with pharmaceutical corporations, and perhaps all corporations, there seems to be a constant theme with such sales forces-  members always strive to make a favorable impression for their employer.  This in itself is understandable and not necessarily a bad thing to do.</p>
<p>Yet do not ever confuse creative acts with criminal acts.  It happens, and it is not a good thing for many.  So I suggest that others learn about law relevant to your profession as a pharmaceutical representative. </p>
<p> Many follow instructions from their superiors that may in fact be possibly unethical if not criminal on occasion.  This happens for two reasons:  First, it’s understandable with a pharmaceutical representative that if their superior directs them to engage in a particular activity related to their vocation, it is reasonable to conclude that such acts are legal.  So rarely do pharmaceutical representatives ever question what they are told to implement by their employers and managers.  To be clear, this scenario is possible, yet not always.</p>
<p>For example, do not ever engage in what is called quid pro quo.  This is Latin as well, and means, ‘this for that’.  For example, just because you buy a medical office lunch, or leave them samples of your promoted  products, or placed a fancy TV in their office, these gifts does not mean in any situation that the doctor owes you prescriptions for the medications that you promote to such doctors.  If your sales numbers are down, do not blame the medical professionals in your territory in such a way, and it happens at times.</p>
<p>Finally, there are certain intrinsic human traits that others rarely discuss or examine.  Examples are qualities such as character, integrity, or kindness.  I’m not suggesting that you do discuss such moral and ethical topics if this is not how you live your life.  What I am suggesting is that you discover the meaning of such words and strive to acquire these traits within you, or at least consider the value of such traits.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time,</p>
<p>A seasoned pharmaceutical representative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The truth will set you free, but first will piss you off. by Doctor Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing, Dan. Unsure about Gloria Steinum, I just got this quote from one of the lecturers at a business school.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I will post it on the site if it is OK with you. If not I will remove if  you so decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, Dan. Unsure about Gloria Steinum, I just got this quote from one of the lecturers at a business school.<br />
Thanks for sharing your experience. I will post it on the site if it is OK with you. If not I will remove if  you so decide.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The truth will set you free, but first will piss you off. by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Max,

I think the title of this post is a quote from Gloria Steinum?

I&#039;m an ex-drug rep, and just discovered your site from pharmagossip.  

Samples are the number one influencer of the prescribing habits of doctors, and I proved this with my last pharma company, which was a very small one, where doctors could request samples simply by faxing in a form off of the company&#039;s website.  I became the third best rep in sales out of 200 within six weeks, and never made one call on a doctor&#039;s office.  I mailed these forms anonymously instead to the offices in my territory.

Dan Abshear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Max,</p>
<p>I think the title of this post is a quote from Gloria Steinum?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an ex-drug rep, and just discovered your site from pharmagossip.  </p>
<p>Samples are the number one influencer of the prescribing habits of doctors, and I proved this with my last pharma company, which was a very small one, where doctors could request samples simply by faxing in a form off of the company&#8217;s website.  I became the third best rep in sales out of 200 within six weeks, and never made one call on a doctor&#8217;s office.  I mailed these forms anonymously instead to the offices in my territory.</p>
<p>Dan Abshear</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Obama kill your jobs as pharmaceutical sales reps? by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://drugreptime.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/will-obama-kill-your-jobs-as-pharmaceutical-sales-reps/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am employed with a company that DID NOT sign the PhRMA guidelines.  How do you suggest I leverage this competitive advantage?  What other advice do you have for this frustrated RN turned Sales rep nine years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am employed with a company that DID NOT sign the PhRMA guidelines.  How do you suggest I leverage this competitive advantage?  What other advice do you have for this frustrated RN turned Sales rep nine years ago?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Give us one tip that works for you! by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food is not the key. How about trying to bring value to the practice instead of just bribing the practice to see you? All you end up doing is having them expecting you to bring them food repeatedly. Food does not differentiate you... All it does it make you blend in and typecast you as another Pharma rep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food is not the key. How about trying to bring value to the practice instead of just bribing the practice to see you? All you end up doing is having them expecting you to bring them food repeatedly. Food does not differentiate you&#8230; All it does it make you blend in and typecast you as another Pharma rep</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let&#8217;s help this rep. What do you think? by Tricia Rellah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia Rellah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest turning the tables.......</description>
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		<title>Comment on The stadium pitch. by A.J.</title>
		<link>http://drugreptime.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-stadium-pitch/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3% Buying Now
7% Open to it
30%Not thinking about it
30% Don&#039;t think their interested
30% Know their not interested</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3% Buying Now<br />
7% Open to it<br />
30%Not thinking about it<br />
30% Don&#8217;t think their interested<br />
30% Know their not interested</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to comment by Doctor Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you for yor interest and appreciate your question.
What you are asking is how to sell yourself. In brief, brochures do not work unless you sell penile enlargement or effortless weight reduction. Getting a face contact with a doctor will only lead you as far as you are able to sell. From your question I realized that that is one skill you may need to work on. Get the book by Chet Holmes &quot;Ultimate sales machine&quot; and spend next two weeks soaking all of it in. I know that this will answer 80% of all your questions. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you for yor interest and appreciate your question.<br />
What you are asking is how to sell yourself. In brief, brochures do not work unless you sell penile enlargement or effortless weight reduction. Getting a face contact with a doctor will only lead you as far as you are able to sell. From your question I realized that that is one skill you may need to work on. Get the book by Chet Holmes &#8220;Ultimate sales machine&#8221; and spend next two weeks soaking all of it in. I know that this will answer 80% of all your questions. Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to comment by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Max:

I am a therapist in private practice providing individual, couple, and family therapy to my clients.  I am new to being in private practice and I was reading through your site with some interest as it appears that many of the questions that pharmaceutical sales reps struggle with are similar to my own.

More specifically, in my line of work, the best way to build my practice is to develop a network of physicians who would be interested in referring their patients to me for counselling services if they identify that the patient is struggling with anxiety, depression, marital stress, or any other sort of mental health issue.  Hence, my situation is similar to pharmaceutical reps who would hope that a doctor would write a prescription for their product when he/she diagnoses his/her patient with a health problem.  However, all of my professional training has been in the field of mental health and I thus have no idea how to go about introducing myself to doctors in my area and marketing my practice.

I have mailed out letters and brochures to doctors in my area but this has not generated much in the way of referrals.  It would seem to me that the best way to develop doctors as referral sources would be for me to go out and meet with them face to face to introduce myself and let them know what I can provide for their patients.  However, I have no idea how to go about setting up such meetings or if the doctor would even be open to seeing me.  Hence, I am curious as to how the pharmaceutical reps approach this issue.

I have thought about visiting doctors’ offices unannounced and simply dropping off brochures with the receptionist and asking if they could display them in their waiting room.  However, I’m not sure what the chances are that this will be done if the doctor has not approved the brochures first.

Do you (or any of the pharmaceutical reps on this site) have any advice as to how I might best approach the question of gaining a face to face meeting with a physician?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Max:</p>
<p>I am a therapist in private practice providing individual, couple, and family therapy to my clients.  I am new to being in private practice and I was reading through your site with some interest as it appears that many of the questions that pharmaceutical sales reps struggle with are similar to my own.</p>
<p>More specifically, in my line of work, the best way to build my practice is to develop a network of physicians who would be interested in referring their patients to me for counselling services if they identify that the patient is struggling with anxiety, depression, marital stress, or any other sort of mental health issue.  Hence, my situation is similar to pharmaceutical reps who would hope that a doctor would write a prescription for their product when he/she diagnoses his/her patient with a health problem.  However, all of my professional training has been in the field of mental health and I thus have no idea how to go about introducing myself to doctors in my area and marketing my practice.</p>
<p>I have mailed out letters and brochures to doctors in my area but this has not generated much in the way of referrals.  It would seem to me that the best way to develop doctors as referral sources would be for me to go out and meet with them face to face to introduce myself and let them know what I can provide for their patients.  However, I have no idea how to go about setting up such meetings or if the doctor would even be open to seeing me.  Hence, I am curious as to how the pharmaceutical reps approach this issue.</p>
<p>I have thought about visiting doctors’ offices unannounced and simply dropping off brochures with the receptionist and asking if they could display them in their waiting room.  However, I’m not sure what the chances are that this will be done if the doctor has not approved the brochures first.</p>
<p>Do you (or any of the pharmaceutical reps on this site) have any advice as to how I might best approach the question of gaining a face to face meeting with a physician?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Help me understand. by NJRep</title>
		<link>http://drugreptime.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/help-me-understand/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>NJRep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came home from work the other day to 25 boxes of crap from marketing.  I can order what I want(pens, pads, dosing cards, etc)which was in 5 of the boxes.  The other 20 boxes were autoshipped from marketing.  Lots of cheesy, cheap items that I would be embarassed to hand out as well as studies and slim jims with uncompelling information that I am suppose to hand out to my targets.  Often reps say that it cost them more to throw the items away so they send it to us to throw in the garbage.  The bottom line is that more money is wasted on useless items and materials that most reps would not use hence the constant autoshipments accross the country to all reps.  And the other problem is that it is not &quot;real world.&quot;  Most of the people in marketing are out of touch or have no experience in the field.  It is a shame.  When they ask for feedback very rarely do they take the advice from us who are interacting daily with our customers.  The circle of stupidity continues.  Things for me have been this way for nearly 7 years with no change in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came home from work the other day to 25 boxes of crap from marketing.  I can order what I want(pens, pads, dosing cards, etc)which was in 5 of the boxes.  The other 20 boxes were autoshipped from marketing.  Lots of cheesy, cheap items that I would be embarassed to hand out as well as studies and slim jims with uncompelling information that I am suppose to hand out to my targets.  Often reps say that it cost them more to throw the items away so they send it to us to throw in the garbage.  The bottom line is that more money is wasted on useless items and materials that most reps would not use hence the constant autoshipments accross the country to all reps.  And the other problem is that it is not &#8220;real world.&#8221;  Most of the people in marketing are out of touch or have no experience in the field.  It is a shame.  When they ask for feedback very rarely do they take the advice from us who are interacting daily with our customers.  The circle of stupidity continues.  Things for me have been this way for nearly 7 years with no change in sight.</p>
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